210 Computing - css http://www.210computing.com/ Technology Blog for 210 Computing en-us Chris Burkhardt Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:30:31 GMT newtelligence dasBlog 2.0.7226.0 admin@packerspundit.com admin@packerspundit.com http://www.210computing.com/Trackback.aspx?guid=3a13c7e5-4f8c-4f50-9e41-becfbdeb5f68 http://www.210computing.com/pingback.aspx http://www.210computing.com/PermaLink,guid,3a13c7e5-4f8c-4f50-9e41-becfbdeb5f68.aspx Chris Burkhardt http://www.210computing.com/CommentView,guid,3a13c7e5-4f8c-4f50-9e41-becfbdeb5f68.aspx http://www.210computing.com/SyndicationService.asmx/GetEntryCommentsRss?guid=3a13c7e5-4f8c-4f50-9e41-becfbdeb5f68 1 Today I downloaded IE7 and set it to my default browser, leaving Firefox after about 5 years of use. Firefox is still a good browser, but with IE implementing tabbed browsing I don't have to put up with the annoyances of Firefox to get tabs. Here are the 10 main reasons I am switching.

1. Tools-->Options-->Show Passwords-->Show Passwords WTF? I should have stopped using firefox when someone showed me this for the first time.

2. The real last straw was Firefox's support for EV(Extended Verification) certificates. I can't find any solid information if they will be supported in FF3, or even when FF3 is scheduled to come out. I found this post, but this kind of attitude of denouncing a decision after it has been made rather than trying to help the process really bothers me. 

3. Auto update. I don't know why firefox updates in the background and then gives me a crap dialog box to "install now or later" nagging me every time I start it. Did they get bought out by Adobe?

4. Firefox still has memory problems. If I surf for 2-3 hours, opening a lot of tabs, and then trim down to 2-3 base tabs Firefox will still be around 200meg.

5. Buggy CSS. As much as firefox fans crow about how good their CSS is, there are still way to many bugs/inconsistencies.

6. Too many versions. There are too many versions and no clear road map. We don't really need 2.0.3, and all the versions give fan boys a crutch, "Well, have you updated to 2.0.3a? That will fix your problem"

7. Firefox crashes too much. I'm on my computer all day on XP and Server 2003 and programs don't really crash anymore. Sometimes I kill them, but Firefox crashes at least once a month.

8. Too much blame on extensions. Any problem with FF is shoved off to "its probably an extension". Extensions should not be allowed to crash the main program.

9. If I open a new tab and type the url too fast, it does not work. This, surprisingly, is my second biggest reason for leaving Firefox. I used to be able to Ctrl-T, and start typing. Now when I try the cursor is in the address bar blinking, but typing does nothing. I have to lose focus of the address bar and then put it back in.

10. If I have too many tabs open, copy/past breaks. That is, I cannot copy from Firefox to another app. I can copy from notepad to another app, but not Firefox. I cannot reproduce this on purpose, so I don't know for sure it is FF, but I suspect.



Leaving Firefox http://www.210computing.com/PermaLink,guid,3a13c7e5-4f8c-4f50-9e41-becfbdeb5f68.aspx http://www.210computing.com/2007/10/12/LeavingFirefox.aspx Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:30:31 GMT Today I downloaded IE7 and set it to my default browser, leaving Firefox after about 5 years of use. Firefox is still a good browser, but with IE implementing tabbed browsing I don't have to put up with the annoyances of Firefox to get tabs. Here are the 10 main reasons I am switching.<br> <br> <p> 1. Tools--&gt;Options--&gt;Show Passwords--&gt;Show Passwords WTF? I should have stopped using firefox when someone showed me this for the first time.<br> </p> <p> 2. The real last straw was Firefox's support for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Validation_Certificate">EV(Extended Verification)</a> certificates. I can't find any solid information if they will be supported in FF3, or even when FF3 is scheduled to come out. I found <a href="http://blog.johnath.com/index.php/2007/06/04/will-firefox-have-a-green-bar/">this post</a>, but this kind of attitude of denouncing a decision after it has been made rather than trying to help the process really bothers me.&nbsp; <br> </p> <p> 3. Auto update. I don't know why firefox updates in the background and then gives me a crap dialog box to "install now or later" nagging me every time I start it. Did they get bought out by Adobe? </p> <p> 4. Firefox still has memory problems. If I surf for 2-3 hours, opening a lot of tabs, and then trim down to 2-3 base tabs Firefox will still be around 200meg. </p> <p> 5. Buggy CSS. As much as firefox fans crow about how good their CSS is, there are still way to many bugs/inconsistencies. </p> <p> 6. Too many versions. There are too many versions and no clear road map. We don't really need 2.0.3, and all the versions give fan boys a crutch, "Well, have you updated to 2.0.3a? That will fix your problem" </p> <p> 7. Firefox crashes too much. I'm on my computer all day on XP and Server 2003 and programs don't really crash anymore. Sometimes I kill them, but Firefox crashes at least once a month. </p> <p> 8. Too much blame on extensions. Any problem with FF is shoved off to "its probably an extension". Extensions should not be allowed to crash the main program. </p> <p> 9. If I open a new tab and type the url too fast, it does not work. This, surprisingly, is my second biggest reason for leaving Firefox. I used to be able to Ctrl-T, and start typing. Now when I try the cursor is in the address bar blinking, but typing does nothing. I have to lose focus of the address bar and then put it back in.<br> </p> <p> 10. If I have too many tabs open, copy/past breaks. That is, I cannot copy from Firefox to another app. I can copy from notepad to another app, but not Firefox. I cannot reproduce this on purpose, so I don't know for sure it is FF, but I suspect. </p> <br> <p> <br> </p> <p> </p> <img width="0" height="0" src="http://www.210computing.com/aggbug.ashx?id=3a13c7e5-4f8c-4f50-9e41-becfbdeb5f68" /> http://www.210computing.com/CommentView,guid,3a13c7e5-4f8c-4f50-9e41-becfbdeb5f68.aspx css firefox bugs http://www.210computing.com/Trackback.aspx?guid=58eb465a-1160-4631-be38-bd854d245bad http://www.210computing.com/pingback.aspx http://www.210computing.com/PermaLink,guid,58eb465a-1160-4631-be38-bd854d245bad.aspx Chris Burkhardt http://www.210computing.com/CommentView,guid,58eb465a-1160-4631-be38-bd854d245bad.aspx http://www.210computing.com/SyndicationService.asmx/GetEntryCommentsRss?guid=58eb465a-1160-4631-be38-bd854d245bad If you have floated boxes followed by a cleared box, firefox will not honor margin-top on that box.

Here is a page demostrating the firefox bug (pops)

I think Firefox is assuming that the extended margins of float left and right apply to cleared boxes, while the specs do not say or imply that. Here is the relevent section from the spec for the clear property:

left
The top margin of the generated box is increased enough that the top border edge is below the bottom outer edge of any left-floating boxes that resulted from elements earlier in the source document.
right
The top margin of the generated box is increased enough that the top border edge is below the bottom outer edge of any right-floating boxes that resulted from elements earlier in the source document.
both
The generated box is moved below all floating boxes of earlier elements in the source document..
none
No constraint on the box's position with respect to floats.

Here is a baseline html/css sample:

<!DOCTYPE
html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD
XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN""http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">

<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" >

<head>

<title>Firefox css bug</title>

</head>

<body>

<div id="container">

<div style="background-color:
Orange; width: 100px; height: 35px; float: left">

</div>

<div style="background-color:
green; width: 100px; height: 35px; float: left">

</div>

<div style="background-color:
black; width: 100px; height: 35px; clear: both; margin-top: 30px;">

</div>

</div>

</body>

</html>


 Firefox margin-top CSS bug http://www.210computing.com/PermaLink,guid,58eb465a-1160-4631-be38-bd854d245bad.aspx http://www.210computing.com/2007/10/10/FirefoxMargintopCSSBug.aspx Wed, 10 Oct 2007 01:28:26 GMT If you have floated boxes followed by a cleared box, firefox will not honor margin-top on that box.<br> <br> Here is a page demostrating the <a href="http://www.210computing.com/content/binary/ffBug.html" target="_blank">firefox bug</a> (pops)<br> <br> I think Firefox is assuming that the extended margins of float left and right apply to cleared boxes, while the specs do not say or imply that. Here is the relevent section from the spec for the <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/visuren.html#propdef-clear">clear property</a>:<br> <br> <blockquote> <dl> <dt><strong>left</strong> </dt> <dd>The top margin of the generated box is increased enough that the top border edge is below the bottom outer edge of any left-floating boxes that resulted from elements earlier in the source document. </dd> <dt><strong>right</strong> </dt> <dd>The top margin of the generated box is increased enough that the top border edge is below the bottom outer edge of any right-floating boxes that resulted from elements earlier in the source document. </dd> <dt><strong>both</strong> </dt> <dd>The generated box is moved below all floating boxes of earlier elements in the source document.. </dd> <dt><strong>none</strong> </dt> <dd>No constraint on the box's position with respect to floats.</dd> </dl> </blockquote> <br> Here is a baseline html/css sample:<br> <br> <pre><span style="color: Black; background-color: transparent; font-family: Courier New; font-size: 11px;">&lt;!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC <span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font-family: Courier New; font-size: 11px;">"-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"</span> <span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font-family: Courier New; font-size: 11px;">"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"</span>&gt;<br> &lt;html xmlns=<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font-family: Courier New; font-size: 11px;">"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"</span> &gt;<br> &lt;head&gt;<br> &lt;title&gt;Firefox css bug&lt;/title&gt;<br> &lt;/head&gt;<br> &lt;body&gt;<br> &lt;div id=<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font-family: Courier New; font-size: 11px;">"container"</span>&gt;<br> &lt;div style=<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font-family: Courier New; font-size: 11px;">"background-color: Orange; width: 100px; height: 35px; float: left"</span>&gt;<br> &lt;/div&gt;<br> &lt;div style=<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font-family: Courier New; font-size: 11px;">"background-color: green; width: 100px; height: 35px; float: left"</span>&gt;<br> &lt;/div&gt;<br> &lt;div style=<span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102); background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font-family: Courier New; font-size: 11px;">"background-color: black; width: 100px; height: 35px; clear: both; margin-top: 30px;"</span>&gt;<br> &lt;/div&gt;<br> &lt;/div&gt;<br> &lt;/body&gt;<br> &lt;/html&gt;<br> </span></pre> <br> <p> </p> <a href="http://www.210computing.com/content/binary/ffBug.html"> <br> </a><img width="0" height="0" src="http://www.210computing.com/aggbug.ashx?id=58eb465a-1160-4631-be38-bd854d245bad" /> http://www.210computing.com/CommentView,guid,58eb465a-1160-4631-be38-bd854d245bad.aspx css firefox bugs